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		<title>Standards support progress</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/21/standards-support-progress/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Hammond</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to give a little update about where I am on the standards support testing for IE 8. I just got the final version installed this morning, and I&#8217;m committed to getting the CSS results out by the end of the weekend.
I&#8217;m currently about a third of the way through the CSS section, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to give a little update about where I am on the standards support testing for <abbr title="Internet Explorer">IE</abbr> 8. I just got the final version installed this morning, and I&#8217;m committed to getting the <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> results out by the end of the weekend.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently about a third of the way through the CSS section, and so far IE 8 is looking very good. It isn&#8217;t all &#8220;Y&#8221;s, but it&#8217;s been pretty close so far. I&#8217;m not making any final judgments until I&#8217;m done testing, but I suspect that IE 8 is now what I&#8217;d consider a &#8220;modern&#8221; browser in CSS support.</p>
<p>I also made a slight change to the <a href="http://www.webdevout.net/test">Webpage test</a> page to help with testing: When visiting it in IE 8, there is now a checkbox that says &#8220;IE 7 mode&#8221;. When you check it and hit the &#8220;Display&#8221; button, the output will be the IE 7 rendering. This is accomplished via the <code>X-UA-Compatible</code> <abbr title="HyperText Transfer Protocol">HTTP</abbr> header.</p>
<p>Stay tuned.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>IE 8 is platform complete</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/01/27/ie-8-is-platform-complete/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Hammond</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I&#8217;ve gotten behind on browser testing, but I&#8217;ll definitely be reserving some time in the next couple of weeks to run the newly released IE 8 release candidate through the gauntlet, as well as bringing the Firefox and Opera information up to date. Safari might even get some love, if I can find [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;ve gotten behind on browser testing, but I&#8217;ll definitely be reserving some time in the next couple of weeks to run the newly released <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/01/26/internet-explorer-8-release-candidate-now-available.aspx"><abbr title="Internet Explorer">IE</abbr> 8 release candidate</a> through the gauntlet, as well as bringing the Firefox and Opera information up to date. Safari might even get some love, if I can find enough time to get it all done.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Opera 9.5 released</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/06/12/opera-95-released/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Hammond</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I know. I&#8217;ll be testing its standards support, too. Firefox 3 will be released this coming Tuesday, the 17th. I won&#8217;t have the standards support information done yet for either browser, but I hope to finish the CSS sections this weekend and put that up by Tuesday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know. I&#8217;ll be testing its standards support, too. Firefox 3 will be released this coming Tuesday, the 17th. I won&#8217;t have the standards support information done yet for either browser, but I hope to finish the <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> sections this weekend and put that up by Tuesday.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Firefox 3 RC 1</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/05/26/firefox-3-rc-1/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Hammond</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s browser testing season again. Since the first Firefox 3 release candidate has been released, I will begin testing its standards support and adding it to the site. As usual, I&#8217;m going to start with the CSS section and post an update when the initial test data is complete.
Rather than using a standard test suite, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s browser testing season again. Since the first Firefox 3 release candidate has been released, I will begin testing its standards support and adding it to the site. As usual, I&#8217;m going to start with the <abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> section and post an update when the initial test data is complete.</p>
<p>Rather than using a standard test suite, I prefer to write custom tests as I go. This allows me to get into the nooks and crannies of standards support, but it does take longer. Starting now, I&#8217;m going to save all of the test cases of bugs that I find, and at some point I&#8217;ll make those test cases publicly available.</p>
<p>My testing process usually works like this: I initially assume that everything with a &#8220;Y&#8221; in the last version also has a &#8220;Y&#8221; in the new version, so I&#8217;m not testing for regressions in my initial test data. This saves a lot of time, and I can add regression information later as it is found. Next, I go through each &#8220;I&#8221; and &#8220;N&#8221; and retest the browser&#8217;s support. Features that still have &#8220;N&#8221; support go by quickly, so it&#8217;s the &#8220;I&#8221; features that take the bulk of my time. The time it takes to complete a section depends on a number of factors, such as the demands by my day job, how scorching hot the weather is, and whether or not the pizza has arrived yet.</p>
<p>In regard to Safari 3 information, that will not be part of this test session. Adding information for a new browser from scratch is a ton more work than updating for a new version, and I want to get the Firefox information out there quickly. At some point, though, I&#8217;m going to bite the bullet and do the Safari 3 testing, even if the information isn&#8217;t very thorough at first (the <abbr title="Internet Explorer">IE</abbr>, Firefox, and Opera information started off very rough as well). Until then, here are some sites you can check out for Safari (WebKit) support information: <a href="http://reference.sitepoint.com/">SitePoint Reference</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(CSS)">Wikipedia</a>, <a href="http://quirksmode.org/css/contents.html">Quirksmode</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Internet Explorer 8 beta 1</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Hammond</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft has released the first beta of Internet Explorer 8. I won&#8217;t give a final assessment of its standards support and whatnot until the final release, but here are some of my impressions on the beta so far:

It&#8217;s really really slow. I feel almost like I&#8217;m using Amaya. In particular, the Web Devout site is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft has released the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm">first beta of Internet Explorer 8</a>. I won&#8217;t give a final assessment of its standards support and whatnot until the final release, but here are some of my impressions on the beta so far:</p>
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<li>It&#8217;s really really slow. I feel almost like I&#8217;m using Amaya. In particular, the Web Devout site is nearly unusable because the heading backgrounds take forever to render (they are just tiled 2&#215;1 alphatransparent PNGs).</li>
<li>Switching to <abbr title="Internet Explorer">IE</abbr> 7 mode requires a browser restart. That&#8217;s a little annoying, especially since it doesn&#8217;t gracefully restore your session like Firefox does during addon changes.</li>
<li>It broke the Web. I took a run through Alexa&#8217;s top 20 sites (cue rant about Alexa&#8217;s methodology), and about half the sites had big glaring display glitches. <a href="http://www.yahoo.com/">Yahoo</a> is busted up, <a href="http://www.cnn.com/">CNN</a> is bleeding content&#8230; even Microsoft&#8217;s own <a href="http://www.live.com/">Live.com</a> looks like it has seen better days. I predict that the Web is about to have a lot more meta tags.</li>
<li>Web Devout&#8217;s headings are standing tall, but not very proud. It looks like IE 8 has a problem with negative margins in generated content. In fact, IE 8 seems to have lots of problems with generated content (which I pretty much expected). Other than that, it&#8217;s actually making a good effort at rendering Web Devout properly without any IE-specific rules that apply to IE 8. Still not up to scratch with the other browsers, though.</li>
<li>IE 8 still fails 9 tests in the brief <a href="http://www.webdevout.net/testcases/ie7-mass/"><abbr title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</abbr> test suite I made for IE 7</a> a while ago.</li>
<li>Did I mention it&#8217;s really slow?</li>
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<p>Keeping in mind what IE 7 beta 1 was like, I&#8217;m hoping IE 8 will improve a ton before the final release. But for now, the browser is too slow and buggy to actually use, and it doesn&#8217;t help web developers much because there will probably be a lot of additional changes before anything in the engine is final. I&#8217;ll dive into it more once Microsoft announces that it&#8217;s layout-complete.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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