Comments on: IE 8 CSS 2.1 support results http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/ Updates on the march of progress. A weblog about web design, standards, web browsers, and the overall health of the Web. Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:45:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Vincent http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/comment-page-1/#comment-4171 Vincent Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:35:55 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/#comment-4171 The CSS property <i>font-weight</i> doesn't apply to in IE7 or 8. Maybe there are other properties that don't apply... The CSS property font-weight doesn’t apply to in IE7 or 8. Maybe there are other properties that don’t apply…

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]]> By: Gérard Talbot http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/comment-page-1/#comment-4169 Gérard Talbot Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:39:49 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/#comment-4169 David, 12- Inaccurate CSS parsing of cursor: url() declarations Testcase and bug report accessible from http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/#bug201 13- Styling list-style-image with universal selector will <b>CRASH the IE 8 application</b> Testcase and bug report accessible from http://idreamincode.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/IE8Bugs/final-release/list-style-image.html There are <em>obviously</em> still quite a number of issues with CSS 2.1 in IE 8 that we don't see or don't get in other browsers. regards, Gérard David,

12- Inaccurate CSS parsing of cursor: url() declarations
Testcase and bug report accessible from
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/#bug201

13- Styling list-style-image with universal selector will CRASH the IE 8 application
Testcase and bug report accessible from
http://idreamincode.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/IE8Bugs/final-release/list-style-image.html

There are obviously still quite a number of issues with CSS 2.1 in IE 8 that we don’t see or don’t get in other browsers.

regards, Gérard

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]]> By: David Hammond http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/comment-page-1/#comment-4168 David Hammond Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:42:57 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/#comment-4168 Alexander: That isn't really a bug. IE is recognizing that the HTML DTD defines a default value for the <code>colspan</code> and <code>rowspan</code> attributes. As per the CSS 2.1 spec, the attribute selectors match against the attributes in the document tree, which should include these default values. Other browsers don't do this, but the CSS 2.1 spec says browsers aren't required to take into account default values from external DTDs. Gérard Talbot: Thanks for all of the feedback. I'll look into those issues. Alexander: That isn’t really a bug. IE is recognizing that the HTML DTD defines a default value for the colspan and rowspan attributes. As per the CSS 2.1 spec, the attribute selectors match against the attributes in the document tree, which should include these default values. Other browsers don’t do this, but the CSS 2.1 spec says browsers aren’t required to take into account default values from external DTDs.

Gérard Talbot: Thanks for all of the feedback. I’ll look into those issues.

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]]> By: Gérard Talbot http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/comment-page-1/#comment-4163 Gérard Talbot Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:59:39 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/#comment-4163 David, You gave a green Yes to vertical-align: middle for IE 7 but, in all fairness, it should be a No since <b>in IE 7, vertical-align: middle always return an inaccurate value due to an incorrect implementation</b>. Many web authors, backed with carefully crafted testcases, claim and state this. Your score/evaluation system is also questionable, I must say. You say <blockquote cite="http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support#interpret"> " For consistency reasons, it [a tested, evaluated feature] will receive an I [<em>meaning incomplete support...</em> 'Incomplete (I) support for a feature is calculated as a 50% support'!] <em>even if the feature never performs a correct task or always returns an incorrect value</em>, as long as the browser shows that it recognizes the feature and attempts to utilize it. " </blockquote> Wow... If a tested feature never performs the correct task or always returns an incorrect value, it can nevertheless get a 50% support score in your evaluation system. I hope you will agree with me when saying that such system is not ideal, not perfect and not accurate. In my opinion, <strong>vertical-align property in IE 7 is so buggy that it should get an N for several of its vertical-align values</strong>. In IE 7, <a href="http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE7Bugs/VerticalAlignSubBug.html">vertical-align: sub is rendered as vertical-align: super</a> ! In IE 7, vertical-align: bottom receives an I (incomplete support, which still get a 50% support score nevertheless) in your CSS support table because, according to you, it is "treated as text-top". regards, Gérard David,

You gave a green Yes to vertical-align: middle for IE 7 but, in all fairness, it should be a No since in IE 7, vertical-align: middle always return an inaccurate value due to an incorrect implementation. Many web authors, backed with carefully crafted testcases, claim and state this.

Your score/evaluation system is also questionable, I must say. You say

”
For consistency reasons, it [a tested, evaluated feature] will receive an I [meaning incomplete support... 'Incomplete (I) support for a feature is calculated as a 50% support'!] even if the feature never performs a correct task or always returns an incorrect value, as long as the browser shows that it recognizes the feature and attempts to utilize it.
”

Wow… If a tested feature never performs the correct task or always returns an incorrect value, it can nevertheless get a 50% support score in your evaluation system. I hope you will agree with me when saying that such system is not ideal, not perfect and not accurate.

In my opinion, vertical-align property in IE 7 is so buggy that it should get an N for several of its vertical-align values.

In IE 7, vertical-align: sub is rendered as vertical-align: super !

In IE 7, vertical-align: bottom receives an I (incomplete support, which still get a 50% support score nevertheless) in your CSS support table because, according to you, it is “treated as text-top”.

regards, Gérard

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]]> By: Gérard Talbot http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/comment-page-1/#comment-4161 Gérard Talbot Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:13:18 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2009/03/23/ie-8-css-21-support-results/#comment-4161 11- Inherited margin with inherit keyword: the computed parent's value is not inherited in IE 8: http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/#bug81 regards, Gérard 11- Inherited margin with inherit keyword: the computed parent’s value is not inherited in IE 8:
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE8Bugs/#bug81

regards, Gérard

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