Comments on: Internet Explorer 8 beta 1 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/ Updates on the march of progress. A weblog about web design, standards, web browsers, and the overall health of the Web. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:27:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Mitch 74 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4106 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:12:57 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4106 I guess the fact that I use a quite unusual layout (the main browsing 'window' is in fact a pseudoframe) that still works across most current browsers (IE5-6 included, through 2 well documented workarounds) qualifies as a 'not-simple' test case. It's also true that older versions of other browsers have trouble with it: - Firefox 1.0 has problems with pop-up menus (there used a workaround, but I removed it); works fine with Firefox 1.5+ - Opera 7 displays it strangely (but it's still usable); works and displays fine with Opera 8+ - Mozilla 1.0b2 can't make Javascript work (due to 'real XHTML' use); see Firefox for Mozilla 1.7+ - Konqueror 3.x can't scroll the pseudoframe with the keyboard, the mouse wheel or inner links (missing feature in its CSS layers management) only by clicking on the scrollbar; fixed in 4 and Safari. Still, although I made a bad mistake in my descriptions of the box systems, do you agree that when I call bull on IE8's engine being all new, but in fact still based on IE(4 or 5)'s Trident engine with another load of fixes (good) and shims (bad), I'm not completely off my rocker? I guess the fact that I use a quite unusual layout (the main browsing ‘window’ is in fact a pseudoframe) that still works across most current browsers (IE5-6 included, through 2 well documented workarounds) qualifies as a ‘not-simple’ test case.

It’s also true that older versions of other browsers have trouble with it:

- Firefox 1.0 has problems with pop-up menus (there used a workaround, but I removed it); works fine with Firefox 1.5+
- Opera 7 displays it strangely (but it’s still usable); works and displays fine with Opera 8+
- Mozilla 1.0b2 can’t make Javascript work (due to ‘real XHTML’ use); see Firefox for Mozilla 1.7+
- Konqueror 3.x can’t scroll the pseudoframe with the keyboard, the mouse wheel or inner links (missing feature in its CSS layers management) only by clicking on the scrollbar; fixed in 4 and Safari.

Still, although I made a bad mistake in my descriptions of the box systems, do you agree that when I call bull on IE8’s engine being all new, but in fact still based on IE(4 or 5)’s Trident engine with another load of fixes (good) and shims (bad), I’m not completely off my rocker?

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]]> by: Daniel http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4105 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:36:44 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4105 Interesting, indeed. I personally havent tested anything but simple testcases in IE8b1 yet. the engine was overhauled but is still full of bugs. I really cross my fingers for the final result. Interesting, indeed.
I personally havent tested anything but simple testcases in IE8b1 yet. the engine was overhauled but is still full of bugs. I really cross my fingers for the final result.

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]]> by: Mitch 74 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4104 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:22:47 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4104 Whoops, my bad: http://moneyshop.perso.cegetel.net/moneyshop/ Whoops, my bad:
http://moneyshop.perso.cegetel.net/moneyshop/

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]]> by: Daniel http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4103 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:07:53 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4103 Doesn't seem to be online. Anyway, I'm actually looking forward to Beta 2, I'm sure it'll be a ton better than the current one. Doesn’t seem to be online.
Anyway, I’m actually looking forward to Beta 2, I’m sure it’ll be a ton better than the current one.

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]]> by: Mitch 74 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4102 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:00:34 +0000 http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/03/06/internet-explorer-8-beta-1/#comment-4102 @Daniel: indeed, I did swap the two definitions, and IE4 did (try to) implement the correct CSS box model. My bad (I got mistaken due to the special way I worked around IE5/6's inability to deal with top, bottom, left, right coordinates for the same element). Revert all I'm talking about it the previous post (and now, the CSS3 inclusion of a box model switcher gets oh so inviting...). Have a look at http://moneyshop.perso.cegetel.fr/moneyshop, you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about (this early design managed to hit at least 3 bugs in IE8; you can also notice how the main scrollbar gets jumpy on some pages in IE 7; it's a byproduct of my workaround for the 100% CPU use under this browser). Mitch @Daniel: indeed, I did swap the two definitions, and IE4 did (try to) implement the correct CSS box model. My bad (I got mistaken due to the special way I worked around IE5/6’s inability to deal with top, bottom, left, right coordinates for the same element).

Revert all I’m talking about it the previous post (and now, the CSS3 inclusion of a box model switcher gets oh so inviting…).

Have a look at http://moneyshop.perso.cegetel.fr/moneyshop, you’ll get an idea of what I’m talking about (this early design managed to hit at least 3 bugs in IE8; you can also notice how the main scrollbar gets jumpy on some pages in IE 7; it’s a byproduct of my workaround for the 100% CPU use under this browser).

Mitch

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